“THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE IN SREBRENICA” The Independent International Commission reiterated – no more dilemmas
There was no single crime of genocide, no genocide at all, in Srebrenica.
This is the conclusion of the Independent International Commission for the Investigation of The Suffering of All Peoples in the Srebrenica region from 1992-1995. [Getty)
This was told to reporters at today’s conference at the UNS Press Centre in Belgrade by commission president Gideon Greif, adding that all of its 10 members, international experts, were fully independent in the two-way survey And that no pressure was put on them.
– After a thorough investigation, it was concluded that neither individual genocide nor genocide at all was in Srebrenica.
Although the commission did not take into account the killings outside of those related to Srebrenica, it recognises the fact that thousands of people, most often prisoners of war, have been killed in the most horrific ways and that those responsible for these crimes must be punished, Greif said. According to him, the definition of genocide set by The Hague tribunal will not withstand a “test of time”.
In order to prevent future genocides, it is very important that the notion of genocide as a crime must not be distorted. If the term continues to be used lightly, as in the case of Srebrenica, it will lose its meaning. Genocide charges will be tied to any conflict in the future, and most importantly, there will be no consequences, Greif said..
Gideon Greif is an Israeli historian who specializes in the history of the Holocaust, especially the history of the Auschwitz concentration camp and particularly the Sonderkommando in Auschwitz.Wikipedia
According to him, the report should help confront the past, leading to strengthened trust and tolerance among bosnia and Herzegovina residents, as well as eventual reconciliation and co-existence between current and future generations. – Our only goal was the truth. We believe that the results of our research reflect reality, a reflection of these events, and I hope that in time, not immediately, other institutions around the world, other experts, will change their minds, or at least adapt it to our conclusions.
I’m sure we’ve done a very detailed job and we’re convinced that our report, which has more than 1,000 pages, reflects what really happened in that region, without prejudice, without legends, without magnification. We’re totally behind him, Greif said.
Commission Vice-President Yuki Osa said they do not want to deny in any way what happened at the time. – There’s been a crime. To prevent such atrocities in the future, we must prevent wars and armed conflicts, Wasp said.
One of the commission members, Steven Meyer, said he was unclear how one law, such as the genocide denial law imposed by former High Representative to BiH Valentin Inzko, could have passed. – A lot of people here say, “Okay, that’s the law.” I can understand that. But I can’t understand how the Prosecutor’s Office of Bosnia and Herzegovina accepts it. This law was not passed by the government, it was imposed, and I think it was imposed illegally and without morals, Meyer said. He said Inzko’s law would have a counter-effect, i.e. further divide Bosnia and Herzegovina.
A full report by the Independent International Commission for the Investigation of The Suffering of All Peoples in the Srebrenica Region from 1992-1995. It can be found on the https://incomfis-srebrenica.org website.
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Transcript of video:
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professor grife
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good evening and thank you for this
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interview thank you
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first of all you have completed a big
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work
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after all are you satisfied with the
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results
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and the work done i think we can be
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satisfied
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because we have produced a very
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serious very professional product
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which is faithful to the truth to the
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historical events
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is balanced and the contributors to this
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excellent document are big experts
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10 excellent people from various
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countries
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when i say 10 people i mean myself as
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well
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and each an expert in his
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field of science well-known experts
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so i think as contribution
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to the truth and to the facts it is a
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very important
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document i would say what i submitted it
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this morning to the prime minister of
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the
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republic of serbska and to the president
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zodiac i
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really heard bells of history ringing
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around
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without any exaggeration it is a day to
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remember it is absolutely a day to
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remember
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because of me personally i’m very
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sensitive to injustice
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and by this document we correct we
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improve
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the prejudices against
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the serbian people against the people
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who were active
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in the uh event of 1992-1995
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i think yes concerning the question
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we did a good professional
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uh serious work uh two years
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and this is the importance of it and we
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worked a lot
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a lot of time we didn’t spare efforts
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we each of us gave its energy
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its time its forces we even lost one
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very sadly important member
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uh during the work
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mr giuseppe
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mr giuseppe zaharia may he rest in
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peace there in paradise so
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we worked hard we worked hard and i
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think the 1200 pages are the proof of
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our serious work
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two years you said one thousand two
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hundred pages
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uh even more right even more uh
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how how did you work in the commission
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did you have all the relevant
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documents we did not receive
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all the relevant documents although we
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pleaded and asked and
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made efforts to receive them so we had
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to rely on
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our sources which are witnesses
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documents
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we had a lot of documentation we did the
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utmost
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to get every relevant document because
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we wanted our report to be objective
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scientific authentic and reliable
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the very strength of this document is
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in you in the scientists that stand
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behind it
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what can you tell us about that people
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for us
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only facts were important no legends
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no stories
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no rumors just the truth we were
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faithful to the truth
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because we are serious people we are
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scientists and for scientists
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only truth are the basis for their work
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for the scientific work can you present
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us and
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tell us who are the members of the
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commission
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i’m really proud to be the chairman of
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such a good
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collection of personalities so allow me
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to mention them by name and
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the country they represent professor
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walter manoshek
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from austria um
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lawyer marcus goldbach one of the
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leading lawyers in germany
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who dealt with trials of german nazi
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criminals
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shinaba from nigeria
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who was and who is an expert of
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uh criminal investigations maria
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professor maria jurich which is
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considered number one in the world of
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forensic investigations
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the only serbian representative together
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with professor roger baird
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also well-known expert for forensic
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research professor yuki osa from
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japan who dealt with the conflict in
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serbanita in
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the last decade professor stephen meyer
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professor lawrence french and the late
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zakaria who is an expert for media
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himself a well-known
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journalist so 10 excellent people each
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of them is an expert
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did you have any obstacles or maybe
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pressures
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during your work i can assure you
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that even not one time not a single
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moment not a single uh
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second was there any pressure for
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any from anybody from any side from
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government
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from people from ministers from
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secretaries we were
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fully independent hundred percent
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thousand percent independent
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this gave us a good feeling that we can
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do whatever we think is
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the right thing without any pressure
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nobody tried to influence us
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to tell us what to write how to write so
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i can sign with my signature that this
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work is
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100 hundred thousand percent independent
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it reflects
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our when i mean our the ten
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experts who did it it reflects our work
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our opinions our conviction that what we
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are writing
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is the event as it was
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uh so can you tell us what was the main
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focus
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of your research it was cerebral
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i would say we have uh come to
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two main conclusions one is the
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definition
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about genocide i’m jewish
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i know what genocide means i belong to
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the old people who was subjected
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to the total to the genocide in the
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history of mankind
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nobody can tell me what genocide is and
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this event
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was no genocide not at all
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and we prove it it’s not because we
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think it is we prove it
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it was not a genocide cannot be called a
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genocide
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and if somebody uses it it should be
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erased from history this is important
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because
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accusations about genocide are very
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serious
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because deciding to to
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conduct a genocide is a very severe
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crime
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and in this case this crime did not
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exist and this is
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very important of course a crime was
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conducted was committed but this crime
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can never
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never be called the genocide and i think
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this is very important it’s not just
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the headline it’s not not the name it’s
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the essence of
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of the event this is number one number
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two
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is the number of victims uh we corrected
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the numbers
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the number does not exceed 3714
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victims in july 95.
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yes i i’m talking about events in july
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1995
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we had in our commission experts for
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counting for calculating and this is the
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number
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this should be written in history not
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less
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and not more each person who dies
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is of course a tragedy is a disaster
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we we we are aware of it but
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numbers are also important so we give
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the framework of
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the title of the definition this is
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not a genocide and i would repeat it one
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hundred thousand times it’s not a
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genocide
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and the number does not exceed three
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thousand comma seven
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but uh when the war in bosnia
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herzegovina is mentioned
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genocide is topic immediately
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can this contribute to the to better
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understanding of the events
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in cerebrum syndrome of course because
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using the term genocide
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reflects the intention and in this case
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there was
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no intention of genocide and this makes
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the difference
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it’s it’s another world it’s another
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existence
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so it should be erased from history and
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those who
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continue to use the term genocide
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have bad intentions are people with very
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bad intentions
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from now on from today the term genocide
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should never accompany
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this event because it’s a it’s wrong
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it’s a mistake
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you did a lot more work than only
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srebrenica 195 you uh covered
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and researched from 92 to 95. what can
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you tell us about the serbian victims
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in the area uh thank you for uh
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thank you for uh mentioning this uh very
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important fact
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this was forgotten the crimes against
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the serbian people there was an
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activity and hostile activity which
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started
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92 even earlier of attacking many
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serbian villages attacking civilians
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serbian civilians so
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instead of blaming the serbians of being
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aggressive the other side should have
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been
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accused so something happened in the
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meantime
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the aggressor has become the victim and
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the victim has become an aggressor
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and we correct this misunderstanding
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and this distorted description of
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history
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so in many many times the serbs were
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attacked and we’re not
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the attackers we’re not aggressives you
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know history is not a
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book of of legends it’s a science like
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like
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biology like chemistry like
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physics and facts should be the only
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the only factor when we deal with
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historical description nothing else how
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many serbian victims
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were there in the area thousands
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thousands
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and when we calculate the years of
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anti-serbian activity
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we come to thousands hundreds of
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villages
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and mostly civilians not only but many
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civilians
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so i can say if at all genocide should
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ever be used it’s against
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the serbian people and not the opposite
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because there were plans on behalf of
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the so-called
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uh independent set of croatia to
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eliminate the serbian people
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by many methods we know them and i
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myself have
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conducted researchers on this topic
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about the criminal
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regime in croatia between 1941 and 45.
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if there was a genocide at all it’s the
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genocide
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on behalf of the croatian ustasha site
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maybe this should never be forgotten
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maybe you could explain us
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what is gender genocide in general
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genocide is a term which a jewish
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polish historian rafael lemkin have
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invented in 1945 and relates
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to the intention of one group of people
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to eliminate another people completely
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as i mentioned as a jew i know what this
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is because
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germany nazi germany had a plan under
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the title
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uh the secret title the final solution
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of the jewish people
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the result of this criminal program was
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that on this planet
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not even one single jew should have
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survived
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or in other words i gideon grave should
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not be here
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with you in the studio today because my
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parents shouldn’t have been born
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this planet should have been empty of
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jews
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not a single jew this is genocide to
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make it clear to our listeners
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and of course such a plan was never uh
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used by by the serbian in cerebral tower
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or elsewhere
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on the contrary when i referred to the
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so-called
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independent state of croatia there was a
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plan
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that one third of the serbs will die the
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others will have to emigrate and the
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the third part will have to change its
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religion
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to convert and not vice versa
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not vice versa so to summarize my
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explanation
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a genocide is a crime which means
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the total elimination erasing from earth
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of a certain group of people because of
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religious differences national
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differences mentality differences
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or just because you don’t like the other
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group
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we can say in this topic that the
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politicians have
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dominated except except of
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experts saying that something is
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genocide is something not
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now we are hearing the experts uh
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do you believe uh that this report
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will uh bring to to
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peace and understanding of the war in
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bosnia-herzegovina
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this is mainly our goal except
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of analyzing the events and removing the
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term genocide as i
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explained and telling how many
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victims were indeed in this event
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we would like the parties to look
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forwards not backwards
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it’s important in life to look to the
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future not to the past you cannot change
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the past you can only change
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the present and the future
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we would like the parties to start
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understanding each other to negotiate
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for our children for our grandchildren
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to pave the way for a better future this
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can’t be done
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even if the past is full of wars of
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conflicts of bloodshed we can shape the
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future
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this is possible we just have to the
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desire to do it
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yes but what needs to be done so that
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this topic does not become
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an obstacle to peace and coexistence
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i think those who read our big report
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you need some
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time to read it should accept that
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we were objective that we were
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scientific that we had good intentions
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not bad intentions
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and accepting this fact this basic fact
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i think
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this can be a cornerstone a milestone
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for a better future i believe it is
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possible and
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all 10 members of our commission share
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this opinion like me
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we have good intentions not bad
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intentions only good intentions
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this is an international document yes so
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it is available available in the whole
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of the world
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what do you would like all the world to
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read it yes what do you expect when it
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comes to the international public
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and the understanding of the war in
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bosnia-herzegovina i do hope that old
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prejudices against the serbian people
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will not play role in this in the
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interpretation of this report
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um i would like people to read it with
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objective eye
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if possible and forget their all hatreds
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hatreds and prejudices and
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bad opinions in order to pave that way
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that i’ve just described for a better
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future i believe it is possible but
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one thing is needed good will if you
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have good will
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everything is possible every door can be
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opened
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to you it depends on each individual who
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read
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the report and believe what i’ve just
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said that we had the best intentions in
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the world
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and we did we did have the best
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intentions not bad intentions
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all 10 experts and really i would like
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to thank each of them they are
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great people personalities from various
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countries
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from japan from the united states from
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serbia
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from germany the best people
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which could have been in one commission
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i cannot imagine a better team
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okay thank you is there anything else
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you would like to add
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i would just as you again
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explain that the ultimate
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term of genocide is the holocaust which
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nazi germany
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planned against us jews unfortunately
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it almost succeeded six to seven million
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jews
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out of 17 and a half million jews were
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murdered brutally murdered
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if germany would not lose the war i
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wouldn’t sit here today
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i wanted our listeners our viewers to
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understand this
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the fact that i’m here is a miracle it’s
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just a miracle
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gideon graph shouldn’t have been here in
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the studio in manila
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not only me the whole jewish people this
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is
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the ultimate of genocide
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planned and partially
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conducted by nazi germany between 1933
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and 1945
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if they would succeed this world would
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be a world with not a single
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jewish person thanks god
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they did not fully succeed but
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six to seven million is a very heavy
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toll we paid
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we will never recover from this genocide
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never
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i must ask you is it an insult for you
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when you hear
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celebrities genocide when you know all
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the things you said
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it makes me angry because this is not
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the correct term it makes me
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very very very angry and i say this
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after two years of intensive research
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absolutely makes me angry and if i meet
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somebody who continues to use this
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i will tell him how wrong he is
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this term should never be used
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concerning cerebral pizza
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never never never
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thank you thank you for your time
Adara Press 